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	"Etoy Update" | Login/Create an Account | 28 comments | Search Discussion Threshold: -1: 28 comments 0: 28 comments 1: 23 comments 2: 9 comments 3: 2 comments 4: 1 comments 5: 1 comments No CommentsThreadedNestedFlatOldest FirstNewest FirstHighest Scores FirstOldest First (Ignore Threads)Newest First (Ignore Threads) The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. Slashdot is not responsible for what they say. ( Beta is only a state of mind ) Ugh (Score:1) by mbadolato on Wednesday December 29, @02:33PM EST (#1) (User Info) Stuff like this is just total crap and getting more and more out of hand.... [ Reply to This | Parent ] Great News? (Score:1) by caferace (caferace...@...well...com) on Wednesday December 29, @02:34PM EST (#2) (User Info) http://www.well.com/~vimages This all sounds good, but I'd really like to see EToys back off completely. And I'm guessing their stock nosedived primarily because of the fulfillment problems they had with thier e-commerce site over the holiday, not because of 'Net pressure and badmouthing. [ Reply to This | Parent ] ETOYS BACKS DOWN! (Score:5, Informative) by WilliamX (william@dso.net) on Wednesday December 29, @02:34PM EST (#3) (User Info) http://www.dso.net/ http://www.wired.com/news/p olitics/0,1283,33330,00.html [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:ETOYS BACKS DOWN! by jds2001 (Score:1) Wednesday December 29, @02:43PM EST Almost a moot point now, (Score:1) by Marcio Silva (com.fastpointcom@msilva) on Wednesday December 29, @02:35PM EST (#4) (User Info) I'm guessing that Etoys won't be pushing so hard to keep this injunction now that the christmas season is over. They got what they wanted, and now they're just going to drag their feet until some judge with a brain invalidates their injunction. [ Reply to This | Parent ] EToys Relents, Won't Press Suit (Score:1) by penguinicide (I never liked myself anyway.) on Wednesday December 29, @02:35PM EST (#5) (User Info) You missed wired's headline story. EToys Relents, Won't Press Suit penguinicide... when jumping out a window just won't do. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Etoys may have given up (Score:2, Informative) by mathowie on Wednesday December 29, @02:35PM EST (#6) (User Info) http://haughey.com It looks like eToys.com is giving up their pointless fight [ Reply to This | Parent ] Examinepcs.com? (Score:1) by jued0001 on Wednesday December 29, @02:37PM EST (#7) (User Info) http://www.examinepc.com I guess I don't have to worry about someone starting up ExaminePCs and then having Interland take me off-line. Thank god! =P Finally a decision that is more common sense than bullshit. ___________________________ Mello like the Yello, but without the fizz. [ Reply to This | Parent ] First first post (Score:2) by dodobh (d o d o b h @ v s n l . c o m) on Wednesday December 29, @02:38PM EST (#8) (User Info) I do agree that the NSI action was stupid. Say, why don't these guys (etoy.com) file a counter suit? That will be interesting, a suit in Europe against etoys.com Your mind is too little to be allowed to wander alone. [ Reply to This | Parent ] Here's even better news (Score:1) by shang on Wednesday December 29, @02:38PM EST (#9) (User Info) The top story at wire.com seems to be that Etoys won't be pressing the suit: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,33330,00.html Isn't it a coincidence that they did this after the Christmas shopping season is over? [ Reply to This | Parent ] NSI is the problem here. (Score:3, Insightful) by jeroenb on Wednesday December 29, @02:41PM EST (#10) (User Info) I don't really care about all the legal problems concerning trademarks and patents. It'll probably be a long time before we see the end of those, but I'm disappointed in NSI. I more or less expected them to be around long enough to understand that they should simply stand-by and wait for the judge to actually tell them to pull etoy from their database. Because no matter what the actual result in this case is, companies might start getting ideas like "hmm I can always start some lame campaign against my competitor to have his domainname set on hold for a while." This could only be the beginning, and it's already bad :( [ Reply to This | Parent ] Re:NSI is the problem here. by Anonymous Coward Wednesday December 29, @02:50PM EST Capital wins, news at 11 by twit (Score:2) Wednesday December 29, @03:26PM EST Re:Capital wins, news at 11 by seaportcasino (Score:2) Wednesday December 29, @03:42PM EST Re:NSI is the problem here. by lyonsj (Score:1) Wednesday December 29, @03:42PM EST The Future? (Score:1) by viking099 on Wednesday December 29, @02:42PM EST (#11) (User Info) http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~nah2581 I think that the outcome of this case will have repurcussions that will affect how independant domain holders battle against corporate fat cats. If only there were some way to educate the people who will be making these decisions in how things really work here in the internet world. That way fast legal talk will not be able to stand in the way of plain fact. "In the end, there can be Obi Wan" -Anonymous Coward [ Reply to This | Parent ] One Down One To Go (DVD is Next)! by mr.blue (Score:1) Wednesday December 29, @03:01PM EST Until supplies last ... (Score:2) by Nicolas MONNET (nico@nospam.monnet.to) on Wednesday December 29, @02:43PM EST (#13) (User Info) http://www.hetoys.com If eToys indeed withdraw its complaint against etoy, I'll shut my protest site down. I won't until it's duly confirmed. So go visit it while supply last! -- Boycott eToys! [ Reply to This | Parent ] See etoy's site (Score:2) by waldoj (waldo@waldo.net) on Wednesday December 29, @02:50PM EST (#14) (User Info) http://www.waldo.net It's at http://146.228.204.72:8080/. [ Reply to This | Parent ] e-nothing. (Score:2) by Signal 11 (signal11@mediaone.net?Subject=Slashdot comment) on Wednesday December 29, @02:52PM EST (#16) (User Info) http://www.malign.net/~bojay/ How to Make it big in E-commerce: E-commerce DOES exist. It is not an IBM marketing phrase. Believe this. If in doubt, check out "datamation" or whatever magazine is sitting on your boss' desk right now. Patent everything. Aquire huge amounts of lawyers and money. Guns are frowned on - use them only internationally. Your trademark must consist of an easy to remember name - preferably one in the dictionary. Prefix the word with one of the following letters: "X, e, i". Example: eXtreme Computer Parts, iDunno, eNothing. Sue everyone with a related name. Network Solutions will happily shut down all of your competitor's online sites with a court order from /any/ jurisdiction. If the first one turns you down, go judge shopping. You IPO'd, right? Write a book about how you hit it big in the stock market. The title should try to be "deep" but mean nothing, ie: "Business at the speed of thought". *cough* See, etoys is just following The Advice... don't blame them. =) -| There is three errers in this sentence. |- [ Reply to This | Parent ] ETOYS people (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 29, @02:56PM EST (#17) I suspect etoys has sullied their name too much to be around much longer. So while we may forget the name of the company, lets not forget the names of the people. I suspect their bullying tacticts will appear elswhere on the 'net in the future. 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(Score:1) by Lally Singh (death_to_nt@vt.edu) on Wednesday December 29, @03:47PM EST (#26) (User Info) http://www.vt.edu:10021/org/hybridcar One of the mentioned wired articles from a previous post about the injunction going down mentioned that the US Trademark office is not allowing the e set of words to be put up. Firstly this lets etoys stay free, but more importantly, we may just save a whole swoosh (yes, the word swoosh is now a noun!) of other trademark related pains-in-the-rectum! Chalk up +1 for the Trademark office.. which helps against their current score of -128476. -- Insanity Takes Its Toll. Please Have Exact Change [ Reply to This | Parent ] Why eToys isn't pressing the suit. (Score:1) by Spax (slashdot@bugger.EXAMPLE.net) on Wednesday December 29, @03:51PM EST (#27) (User Info) http://BuggEr.NeT Perhaps eToys just wants Etoy up and running again so all those people who ordered worthless pieces of merchandising plastic will try to return it to Etoy, freeing eToys from worrying about refunds and exchanges. FeO2.org | BuggEr.NeT | WAMdesign.com [ Reply to This | Parent ] Let's pull www.nsi.com (Score:1) by Dr. Evil (http://) on Wednesday December 29, @03:59PM EST (#28) (User Info) I had a quick look at www.NSInc.com, and it seems that they infact exist. There could be some kind of brand confusion going on here, after all they're both interested in money. NSInc is roughly 15 years old. I also noticed that www.ensi.com is also registered and is a real site. I wonder if we can get Network Solutions to pull the plug on that pesky www.nsi.com? [ Reply to This | Parent ]

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