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posted by declan on Friday November
03, @01:46PM
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 Iliya Nickelt-Czycykowski writes with an update
(below) on the embattled
vote-auction.com site: "Internic deleted its DNS entry
on November 1st, after the domain was registered and hosted by
an European registry service and was out of reach for US
law. While many companies can register domain names, Internic -- run by Network
Solutions on behalf of the U.S. Commerce Department --
operates the master database and has the final say. A month
ago, I predicted
this would happen: Time to move to that .eu domain after all.
Update 11/5: A report
on the weblaw list says a European registrar pulled the plug.
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:45:39 +0100 (MET)
From: Iliya Nickelt-Czycykowski
To: Declan McCullagh
Subject: vote-auction.com deleted from DNS
Dear Declan,
the conflict with vote-auction.com has reached a new level.
Internic deleted its DNS entry on November 1st, after the domain was
registered and hosted by an European registry service and was out of reach
for US law. You can still reach it at http://62.116.31.68/, and you can
read their press release there. A number of other domains
(www.voteauction.at, www.voteauction.de, www.voteauction.cu,
www.voteauction.ru, www.vote-auction.net, www.vote-auction.org) should be
up soon. No matter what you think about it, wether you see it as an
political satire or take it seriously (the makers don't), it is
interesting to see that .com is obviously ruled by US law. Maybe .eu is a
better idea than I originally thought.
Regards,
Iliya Nickelt
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by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03,
@02:41PM EST (#1)
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I'm laughing so hard I can't see
straight, but obviously the reason american politicos
hate these sites is that *they* are the only ones who
are supposed to sell their votes. Schmucks. As for
Internic, NSI should be pulled down by rabid dingo dogs
and torn to shreds. They have absolutely NO credibility
left. Give the responsibility to a totally independent
international orginization, and no, I sure as hell don't
mean the UN. We're gonna have to make our own if we want
one.
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by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03,
@02:46PM EST (#2)
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Does anybody have the original IP
Adress of vote-auction.com? Sounds like we need to start
linking to it the old fashioned way.
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by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03,
@02:47PM EST (#3)
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| Ok, I can't get through to
vote-auction.com, so it seems like the person who wrote
the email above is correct. But I don't get this:
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can
now be registered with many different competing
registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed
information.
Domain Name: VOTE-AUCTION.COM
Registrar: CORE
INTERNET COUNCIL OF REGISTRARS
Whois Server:
whois.corenic.net
Referral URL: www.corenic.net
Name Server: NS1.SIL.AT
Name Server: NS2.SIL.AT
Updated Date: 31-oct-2000
>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 3
Nov 2000 10:17:57 EST The Registry database contains
ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars.
So what gives? If I can't get to it, why does
Internic list valid nameservers?
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Me too.
It seems it
should work, but yet nslookup gives a 'can't
find vote-auction.com: Non-existent host/domain'
message.
You can't register it again at
a registrar.
Guess they've done
something obscure.
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perhaps corenic should start
appending .us as well, instead of the waiting
for the Post Office
to assign it.
Does any other widely-used directory
(ie. the White or Yellow Pages) drop listings
based on politics?
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I'd imagine that
White/Yellow pages would drop as well, but they
are much more fussy about what they allow
anyway, and also national entities.
What
worries me is that previously Internic had a
kind of common carrier status, by doing this
they have given it up.
This could open
up the field for anyone with a gaggle of attack
lawyers to go after any site that displeases
them by directly removing the records for that
site.
Never mind registering every
possible combination of [company][sucks].com
just sue to have any removed that is
registered.
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I think it is interesting that the
net tries to remove a single point of control for almost
everything except administration of DNS. I think it is
time to create a version of DNS that is resilient to
having a single country or that country's court system
pulling the registration. Perhaps we can learn from
Gnutella!
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by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 05,
@06:17PM EST (#11)
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [web-law] Fwd: FC: Internic deletes
vote-auction.com from
domain database?
Date:
Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:40:17 +0100
From: lizvlx
Reply-To: web-law@egroups.com
To:
web-law@egroups.com
References:
actually,
there is some new information about the case.
i
- one of the makers of voteauction.com - have it here
for you.
it was CORE who deaccctivated our
domain.
CORE (corenic.org) is a "meta-registry"
located
in switzerland.
our registry, CSL
gmbh, germany (joker.com) is
a member of CORE. CSL
registers domains via CORE.
CORE received an
email (!!!) on wednesday from
some-one
(attorney-general or court) in missouri
with an
attached "order granting temporary restraining order".
they then deactivated the domain right away.
we
received notice of this action 1 day later.
(if you
would like to see this doc, pls contact me,
i only
received it as well via email, and only
in the form
of several .pdfs), i will send it
to you.
CORE
is also a named defendant in this missouri lawsuit.
it is a civil lawsuit.
in CORE's
registration agreement (remember, my registrar
is
CSL, not CORE), they have a paragrph 4, which states
something like "we can decactivate a domain if it
is being used in an unlawful way".
in
another paragraph, they claim periods of notice
they
have to give in such cases:
.normal period: 30 days
notice
.short period: 7 days ntice (don't ask me
when which applies)
.no notice: if they receive a
properly authenticated order
from o court of competent jurisdiction"
see the doc:
https://joker.com/domain/agreement.html?lang=EN
(you have to scroll down to the actual
reg. agreement)
then, in another paragraph, they
state that the
governing law of the contract is the
swiss one:
" Any action to enforce this Agreement or
any matter relating to
your use of the CORE site
shall be brought exclusively in the
courts of
Switzerland located in Geneva."
appearantly,
they feel that a missouri restraining order
is
governed under swiss law (???), and that email
prooves athenticity.
very strange to me.
we have informed them, that we will sue them for
damages e.a. if they do not re-activate the domain
until monday 12:00, cet.
this just to clear
things up a bit.
last note: we never received
proper notice of ANY court
hearings, dates, or other
notice of the law suit.
the proper way would be the
notification via the
ministrties of external affairs
from both countries
(bilateral agreement between .at
and .us)
all they did was give us a phone call to a
mobile
phone, and that was tuesday night. the order
was issued on wednesday. very funny.
best
lizvlx
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